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12/22/17: Allen returned from his shoulder injury for the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, led Wyoming to a 37-24 victory over Central Michigan, won the game's MVP award and announced his intentions to enter the 2018 draft.
"I was hoping to spend at least a day or two thinking about it,” Allen said about opting for the draft, “but I think my teammates knew, and they were chanting for me to do it.
Allen completed 11of 19 passes for 154 yards with three touchdowns and not interceptions. Wyomint's defense helped Wyoming dominate by forcing eight turnovers
12/12/17 - Allen says his injured throwing shoulder is better than 90 percent recovered, but it's still too early to say whether he will be able to play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl on Dec. 22. Allen has been mentioned among the top quarterback prospects in next year's NFL draft. He sprained his right shoulder on Nov. 11 against Air Force and missed Wyoming's final two regular-season games.
"We're still getting better day by day," Allen said Monday. Allen said he has been practicing with the No. 1 offense. "It's still not where I think it needs to be or where I'd want it to be, but things are progressively getting better, and I can feel it getting better day by day," he said. "Throwing is becoming a lot easier."
The main issue he's dealing with now is pain, he said. "I definitely believe I can make all the throws," Allen said. "There's just some that I still can't put as much velocity as I want into the ball. It's a little painful coming through on the follow-through. The injury itself is gone. It's just trying to get the pain management down to a level I can tolerate."
Allen said the coaches don't want him playing in the bowl game against Central Michigan unless he's completely recovered. Allen has said that if he's healthy enough he wants to play in the bowl and not sit it out in order to protect himself from further injury before the NFL draft. -
A two-year starter at Wyoming, Allen was under center and shotgun in the Cowboys’ offense, which highlighted both pocket and motion throws (near-identical offense that Carson Wentz ran at North Dakota State). He created a buzz in the scouting community in 2016 with his toolsy skill-set, creating expectations for the 2017 season that Allen was unable to match.
However, his junior year evaluation was tainted by a below average supporting cast, losing the top two running backs (Brian Hill and Shaun Wick, who rushed for 2,214 rushing yards in 2016) and his top-three pass-catchers (Tanner Gentry, Jake Maulhardt and Jacob Hollister), who accounted for 68.4-percent of his completions from the previous season – also lost his center (Chase Roullier), who was the glue of the offensive line.
Although there are times on film when Allen makes left-to-right whole reads and fires a strike that only few quarterbacks can make, there are more examples of him not anticipating or pulling the trigger quick enough – his inconsistent processing speed from the pocket isn’t NFL ready and clouds his projection. His elite physical characteristics (size, athleticism and arm) and competitive spirit make him scouting catnip, but his unbalanced mechanics, sporadic ball placement and undeveloped instincts are troubling red flags. Allen has the consistency and production of a later round prospect, making his draft “value” a hotly debated subject in war rooms because so much of his projection is potential-based – obvious candidate to be overdrafted by a team betting on his ceiling.
BACKGROUND A no-star recruit out of high school, Joshua “Josh” Allen grew up on a small grain and cotton farm in Northern California and played a variety of sports instead of attending recruiting camps, causing him to go overlooked by college programs. His only opportunity was at Reedley Community College where he led an offense that averaged 452.2 yards, drawing attention from an assistant coach from Wyoming, who was there to another Reedley player. Allen received two FBS-level offers (Eastern Michigan and Wyoming) and was quickly sold on Cowboys head coach Craig Bohl (only the second ever athlete out of Firebaugh to sign with a Division-I program). In his first career start at Wyoming, he suffered an injury that ended his 2015 season, taking a medical redshirt. Allen became the starter as a redshirt sophomore in 2016 and completed 56.0-percent of his passes (209-for-373) for 3,203 yards, 28 touchdowns and 15 interceptions, adding seven rushing scores. He flirted with leaving early for the NFL Draft before deciding to stay in Laramie for the 2017 season. With several new starters on offense, Allen saw his production decline as a junior.
STRENGTHS Elite physical characteristics. Tall, athletic frame, adding 60 pounds of well-distributed weight since high school. Loose arm to deliver crisp throws with unforced velocity. Drives the ball with extra juice when needed to thread the needle. Fluid athlete for his size with the functional movements to extend plays with his legs. Comfortable throwing from all platforms or on the move.
Shows an understanding of touch and when to take RPMs off his fastball. Durable and has the body type to withstand punishing hits (carried the ball 230 times in college, including 6-8 quarterback designed runs each game). Unquestioned toughness after the constant abuse he faced in college. Intelligent with excellent retention and preparation habits, according to his coaches. Says and does the right things away from the field. - Dane Brugler 11/28/2017
WEAKNESSES Inconsistent timing and efficiency from snap to delivery. Sloppy mechanics, especially his lower half, leading to accuracy problems. Doesn't anticipate passing windows and holds the ball too long. Late breaking down coverages and needs to quicken his eyes and expand his vision. Gives defenders too much of a heads up that the throw is coming, forcing bad balls - throws too many passes to the other team.
His reaction to pressure is discouraging, lacking poise and abandoning manageable pockets. Inconsistent weight transfer and delivery balance, relying on his arm to do the work. Lacks an impressive resume, including poor play vs. top competition in his career - lost all four starts vs. power-five opponents (Nebraska, BYU, Iowa and Oregon): 65-for-128 (50.8-percent) for 634 yards, three touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Has proven to be durable the past two seasons, but did miss most of 2015 after his collarbone was broken in seven places, requiring a metal plate and eight screws - also sprained the A/C joint in his throwing (right) shoulder at Air Force (Nov. 2017) and missed the second half of that game and the next two contests, but avoided surgery. - Dane Brugler 11/28/17
COMPARES TO: Jake Locker, Tennessee Titans - When Locker was drafted in the top-10, it was potential based. And that will be the case with Allen wherever in the first round he is drafted. Locker was undeveloped as a passer, but his physical skill-set is what inflated his draft value - and it's a similar situation with Allen.
IN OUR VIEW: Allen's elite physical characteristics (size, athleticism and arm) and competitive spirit make him scouting catnip, but his unbalanced mechanics, sporadic ball placement and undeveloped instincts are troubling red flags. Allen has the college tape of a later round prospect, making his draft "value" a hotly debated subject in war rooms because so much of his projection is potential-based. He is an obvious candidate to be overdrafted by a team betting on his ceiling.
Allen burst on the college football scene in 2016. His dynamic play earned him Second Team All-Mountain West honors and attracted attention from NFL scouts who thought he might enter the 2018 NFL Draft.
His 2017 season was marred by a November shoulder surgery, but Allen declared early in the season that he intended to enter the draft with one year of college eligiblity left. .
After making second-team All-Mountain West in 2016, Allen was relegated to honorable mention in 2017 after his season was interrupted in early November by a shoulder injury. He sprained his right/throwing shoulder November 11 against Air Force and missed the final two regular season games.
He played in several games during the regular season when he was not totally healthy. For the season he completed 141 passes out of 251 for 1,658 yards, 13 touchdowns and six interceptions.
On December 22 Allen returned from his shoulder injury for the Famous Idaho Potato Bow and, led Wyoming to a 37-24 victory over Central Michigan. He completed 11 of 19 passes for 154 yards, three touchdowns and not interceptions and won the game's MVP award..
Allen was named Second Team All-Mountain West. He threw for 3,203 yards (2nd in MW) this season and also added 523 rushing yards for 3,726 total yards, which was second in the conference. He threw 28 touchdowns with 15 interceptions. Allen threw for over 300 yards in five games. He threw for a career-high 366 yards at UNLV. Allen threw a career-high four touchdowns against Utah State and UNLV. He rushed for a career-high 74 yards against Air Force. He led the MW and ranked 20th in the nation in passing touchdowns (28) a year ago. He led the conference and ranked No. 16 in the NCAA in points responsible for, and he led the country and ranked No. 6 in the nation in passing yards per completion. He lead Wyoming to a win over nationally ranked Boise State and San Diego State. In those two contests, Allen threw for 556 yards with five touchdowns in those two contests.
Saw action in two contests for the Pokes before suffering a season-ending injury. He earned his first career start against Eastern Michigan. Against Eastern Michigan, he was 3-of-4 passing for 32 yards. He also rushed for 40 yards on three carries with a career-long 24 yard rush. He also appeared in the season opener against North Dakota going 1-of-2 passing for 19 yards. For the season, Allen was 4-of-6 passing for 51 yards with three carries for 40 yards.
Allen led a Reedley Community College offense that averaged 452.2 yards of total offense per game to rank No. 9 among all California junior-college teams in total offense. Reedley averaged 285.3 passing yards per game to rank No. 7 among all California JCs, scored 39.4 points per game to rank No. 10 in the state and averaged 166.9 yards rushing to rank 26th. Individually, Allen’s 26 touchdown passes tied him for No. 7 among all California junior-college quarterbacks in 2014. He also ranked 20th among California JUCO quarterbacks in passing yards as a freshman, and ranked 42nd in the state in rushing, averaging 66.0 yards per game. He played for head coach Randy Whited at Reedley College.
Allen played his high school football at Firebaugh High School in Firebaugh, Calif. Growing up as a Fresno State fan who regularly attended both games and football camps, Allen tried to draw the interest of the program's coaching staff; his father tried to sell the Bulldogs' head coach at the time, Tim DeRuyter, on him, but DeRuyter chose not to offer a scholarship. DeRuyter was not alone in this assessment; Allen received no scholarship offers from any NCAA Division I program—whether in the top-level FBS or second-tier FCS. San Diego State made him an offer to walk on, but Allen turned it down because Aztecs coach Rocky Long couldn't guarantee any playing time. In a 2017 story on Allen, ESPN journalist Mark Schlabach speculated on why Allen got so little interest out of high school. At the time, Josh was about 6-foot-3 and 180 pounds. He hadn't attended the elite quarterback camps and wasn't a widely known prospect. His high school team didn't participate in many 7-on-7 camps because Josh and many of his teammates were busy playing baseball and other sports. He was the leading scorer on his basketball team and also pitched on the baseball team, reaching 90 mph with his fastball. According to Yahoo! Writer Jeff Eisenberg, at a time when many scholarship-hungry families encourage their kids to specialize in one sport or to transfer to the school that will provide the most exposure, the Allens resisted both trends. They spurned overtures from more prominent Central Valley programs after Allen’s breakout junior season and kept him at Firebaugh, living by the family mantra that “you bloom where you’re planted.” Not only was Allen involved in multiple sports while in high school, he also regularly worked on the family farm and at the restaurant his mother operated in Firebaugh.
Allen is majoring in communication. He grew up on a 3,000-acre farm near Firebaugh, California, a small town about 40 miles west of Fresno that is about 20 miles from the nearest freeway. His family lived in the area since his great-grandfather, who emigrated from Sweden in 1907, settled there during the Great Depression. The farm where he was raised was established in 1975 by his paternal grandfather, who was also a longtime member of the local school board and namesake of the gymnasium of Firebaugh High School, from which Allen graduated in 2014.
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03/03/18 - 2018 NFL Combine, Saturday: Allen missed a few passes early, especially to his left, an issue that also shows up on his game tapes. At times, Allen is late syncing his million-dollar right arm with his feet, causing some passes to drift. Just as he did at the Senior Bowl last month, Allen improved as he went along. While it is dangerous to read too much into a workout in which quarterbacks are throwing against air, Allen's stellar throwing session was evidence that he could be only a few fundamental tweaks away from becoming a much more accurate passer than is suggested by his career 56.2 completion percentage at Wyoming. While improving accuracy at the highest level is rare, it is not unprecedented. Better fundamentals (and supporting casts) in the NFL have allowed Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco to become quite successful after completing 59.9 and 63.2 percent of their passes at Boston College and Delaware, respectively. Allen's technique could use some fine-tuning. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftscout.com
03/03/18 - 2018 NFL Combine, Saturday: Quarterbacks Josh Rosen and Josh Allen took full advantage when projected No. 1 overall pick Sam Darnold opted not to throw during Saturday's highly anticipated throwing session at the NFL Scouting Combine, delivering dazzling performances that scouts won't soon forget. Allen, a physically-imposing quarterback from Wyoming, was the obvious star of the morning quarterback session, at one point drawing audible oohs and aahhs from a normally silent audience of talent evaluators after throwing a particularly pretty deep ball that traveled at least 70 yards in the air inside Lucas Oil Stadium. While perhaps lacking Allen's best fireball, Rosen was even more impressive when it came to accuracy. The former UCLA Bruins star threw strikes to all levels of the field, including three consecutive picture-perfect vertical routes -- which stood out even more since they came moments after Oklahoma Heisman Trophy winning Baker Mayfield fluttered his three attempts at the same throw. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftscout.com
02/28/18 - 2018 NFL Combine Quotes: Does Josh Allen's 56.2 completion percentage and accuracy questions give you pause about him at all: "I think all of that's too early. I think we're going to find out about why it was 56.2 percent. I think that's what you have to do. I think that's why we're here at the combine, and that's what we'll be doing over the next month or two is to find out why those things are happening and again have the player give us an opportunity to get an understanding from him and for us to keep digging into those things." Allen big, built for your division, huge arm, but accuracy question mark, do you see similarities between him and Kizer because it seems like you already have that guy: "I don't want to compare players, but again, we'll find out more about Josh while being here. But he is, he's a big guy with a big arm, talented and again we'll find out more about him, about why certain things have happened the way they have." - Hue Jackson, Head Coach, Cleveland Browns
01/27/18 - QB Josh Allen answered any questions as to why he will be the first player selected in the 2018 NFL draft from the Senior Bowl with his play in the third quarter. He showed feather-soft touch on perfectly placed touchdown passes to tight ends Tyler Conklin (Central Michigan) and Durham Smythe (Notre Dame) to cap scoring drives, while displaying an equally impressive laser shot on a deep crossing route to Colorado State's Michael Gallup that showed off his arm strength. The 6-foot-5, 237-pound Allen also showed off the spatial awareness and athleticism to dip and duck under pass rushers and still keep his eyes downfield, ultimately completing 9 of 13 passes for 158 yards and two scores after starting off just 2 of 5 for 14 yards in the first half.
01/25/18 - Senior Bowl Thursday: Allen was very up and down on Tuesday and Wednesday, showing flashes of why several are high on his NFL prospects. However, he showed much improved consistency during Thursday's practice, especially during red-zone drills. When the field shrunk and there was less thinking involved, Allen was at his best, throwing corner fades, hitting the seam route and using his plus velocity to fit the ball into tight windows. Allen is a highly polarizing prospect and his performance this week only stoked that fire. He likely didn't convert anyone, but for those who believed in him prior to this week, they will leave Mobile still feeling good about those opinions. And on the flip side, Allen's doubters depart with several of the same concerns about his accuracy and overall future in the NFL. Regardless, even Allen's harshest critics will admit that he performed well during Thursday's practice, arguably the most important day of the week when it comes to evaluation. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com